I too wanna leave this country

[chibam]

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@tyme wrote:

Yes, but consider the benefits and support you are getting? Do you think a DSP exists in other countries? @Blackcloud 

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Maybe that's part of the problem, @tyme ? The government just giving people money when they really ought to be giving them jobs, then making out that the problem's been resolved because having money's all that matters.

Leaving aside all the mental wellbeing factors of making sure citizens have meaningful jobs - even in a strictly financial sense, it's crummy policy. The recipiants are probably worse off, financially, recieving government money then they would be recieving a proper pay check for full-time work; and of course, it's a drain on the economy, which inevitably makes itself known in our bills and other expenses.

Governments (of both sides) have been promising since the year dot to create jobs for the unemployed. I wish one of them would actually follow through on those promises.

[avant-garde]

@chibam 

"You can give a person a fish and they'll eat for a day, you can teach a person to fish and they'll eat for a lifetime"

I am 35, 2 university degrees, 4 trade certificates, multiple extra job appropriate things and no one will give me a chance

• Too old for entry level - they can pay someone younger less
• Overqualified for entry level
• No experience for higher levels
• Don't take volunteers to help gain experience
• Can only do part time due to needing to maintain regular appointments
• Can't do physical labour due to arthritis
• Can't stand for long periods

We would not have a skills shortage if they employed us. 

But they hear disability and they just think incapable.

While they give multiple part time positions to those who already have steady jobs.

They don't care about us, they give the war veterans and first responders extra funding due to PTSD but they don't think those that lived with trauma their entire lives and have complex PTSD need the same kind of help. 

I mean come on

[Blackcloud]

@chibam you totally nailed it with this one!! That’s also what I considered to be the problem too and it’s been going on in my head for a while. Even though we get the unemployment benefits, but at the same time the government doesn’t even care about us nor about our wellbeing financially at the end of the day. To them, we’re just a ‘number’ or a robot if that makes sense. 

[chibam]

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@Blackcloud wrote:

@chibam you totally nailed it with this one!! That’s also what I considered to be the problem too and it’s been going on in my head for a while. Even though we get the unemployment benefits, but at the same time the government doesn’t even care about us nor about our wellbeing financially at the end of the day. To them, we’re just a ‘number’ or a robot if that makes sense. 

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Makes perfect sense, @Blackcloud , and is all too accurate I'm afraid. And it's no longer just the soulless computers beeping away in some Canberra data farm that regards us as mere numbers, either. I think it's also become the 'professionals' we turn to for help, who have to meet us face-to-face and supposedly ought to appreciate the fact that we're real people.

You can forgive the computers and the miles-away beaurocrats for seeing us as just another data file. But when you get treated that way by people face-to-face, it really drains you of your faith in humanity.

[chibam]

@avant-garde  I don't know if there's actually any 'skills shortage', but there is definitely an employment shortage. Everything we keep hearing about the housing crisis, and there's several significant reasons for that, but a big one has got to be that there's an apparent shortage of construction workers in the workforce. So why isn't the government hiring more of them? More houses being built; and less unemployment. It's a no-brainer 2 birds with one stone deal!

And I totally get what your saying about giving jobs to people who already have jobs. It's rediculous! Although I think we would need to make sure that people looking for full-time work don't get tied up in part-time work and bypassed for full-time opportunities. We'd need some secure system in place to insure that assigning such people a part-time job is only temporary, and doesn't surrender their position in the cue for whatever full-time job they were hoping for.

I also get what your saying about regular people in need getting left behind, compared to soldiers, EMT workers, ect. Although I'd hate to think of any improvement in our situations coming at their expense. Those people deserve all the help we can offer; but that doesn't mean that regular civilians don't.

[Blackcloud]

@avant-garde and @Former-Member I just came across this response on reddit on a post that I was reading just now of a user asking about ‘living in a tent as a young person’ - which explains the ‘homeless’ part that they mention at the beginning. 

Honestly I’ve only done a certificate (TAFE/vocational) course myself at uni so far, and nowhere further than that yet, but knowing that people still don’t have jobs and get rejected even though they’ve already earned a degree, or it took ages for them to get a job offer after earning a degree is heartbreaking… 😔 yeah, I can definitely imagine myself being in this situation in the future if I was to obtain a bachelors degree or masters in years time and I don’t really know what to say other than just…this whole job searching and Centrelink system is a joke and corrupted 

[Former-Member]

@Blackcloud it's actually so sad how many people are homeless and living in cars or tents. 

I hope it's not that way for you. I know it's discouraging when you hear so many negative experiences but it's not always the case. Yes the system is very much flawed as is the mental health system. But that can always change and that's what we have to hold hope for. 

[WizardMotor]

I read the article but it didn't disclose which countries are cheaper. I think you'll find any comparable country will have similar issues to Australia. Such as the UK, NZ, Canada etc. Both UK and Canada have major immigration and housing issues, NZ doesn't have the same immigration issues (yet) but they have significant housing issues and cost of living there compared to income is very disproportionate when compared with Australia. Many Kiwi's are leaving NZ for the same reasons, and where are most of them going - that's right, Australia.

And it's unfair to compare this with other countries where there is different standard of quality of life - India, Africa, South America, Middle East etc. 

A logical move might be somewhere in SEA. It's definitely cheaper than Australia, but how is the quality of life and work/study opportunities for a foreigner? Even then, countries that used to be seen as expat havens such as Thailand have their fair share of issues too. I've spent quite a bit of time in Indonesia and for a long time I actually planned to move there. Not anymore, the cost has gone up and Government is tightening up on things so there are a lot of restrictions what foreigners can and can't do/own. Might be good for a few years but hard to settle down there. Similar issues in China too. 

Also if you check the graph, it's a bit misleading. The amount of Aussies leaving Australia in 2024 is actually less than previous years 2014 to 2020 (when it starts to dip down). It is only when compared to this dip down in 2020/2021 that it looks like numbers are increasing. 

[tyme]

Thanks for sharing @WizardMotor @Blackcloud @chibam ,

Some really really interesting insights here. 

[Blackcloud]

okay.