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Hello @HenryX 

How was your day today?

You must be glad to finally have your fence all done. Now perhaps you can relax a little?

 

Meggle

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Hello @Oaktree 

 

Today has been fine for me and enjoyable. Most of today was with the fellow who worked with me on the fence, his wife, two other couples, and the six children of one couple. It is an interesting gathering, of some very different personalities and points of view.

 

Thank you for your messages. I am in the process of writing one of my replies and thought that I'd like to let you know that I had received and appreciated your responses, before too much time disappeared.

 

I do completely understand that sometimes might not be suitable, convenient or appropriate for responding to one of "Henry's books". Consequently, if you find what I write worth reading and there are certain times in which you can respond, I thank you.

 

Best Wishes

@HenryX

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Hi @HenryX 

I really appreciate and value your so called 'Henry Books' so definitely keep them coming. Today I just didn't feel emotionally up to responding right away and still feel as though my response wasn't adequate. Tonight I have spent a fair amount of time watching YouTube videos on imagery rescripting and schema's. I also wrote my psychologist a letter which I will deliver to the clinic on Monday. I wrote the psych a letter to try and sort out for myself how I was feeling and why. I think overall it's because I believe that I am damaged goods and defective. I feel a sense of shame related to the memories of my past and I am fearful of judgement. I also think that I am a lost cause and not worthy of the time and effort therapy will be on the part of my psychologist. Most of all I want to run away. That is my avoidance protector maladaptive mode coming into play. It is very strong and hard to resist. It is taking all my power to not throw in the towel on this whole therapy thing. 

Meggle

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@HenryX 

I am glad to hear that you had an enjoyable day. The gathering you described does sound like an eclectic mix and noisy with 6 children running around. Have a great night Henry x

 

Meggle

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Hello @Oaktree 

 

I arrived home at about 5.00 pm and, after playing with Kirra to qualify for my “re-entry permit” to the house, I have been going through the forum “Your Notifications” list. I noticed that you saw my reference to Smc's “tastebud teasers”. That ice-cream in the trays looked too appealing. I also popped a note to Sophia regarding her recent posts. Respect for her wishes is the primary issue from my perspective, at the same time, anything that we write here in the forum can be helpful to some other person or people, in ways that we may never know.

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Once I've reviewed the messages, then I can relax and feel more comfortable responding, in more detail. I do like coming back to 'talk' with you. I just hope that the way that I word my thoughts is not too strong or so lengthy that it becomes boring.

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It might sound strange to say that we should forgive ourselves, when I can identify completely with the sentiments that you have expressed about deliberately being good, sometimes to the extent that we were possibly, or might consider ourselves, to have been too good. When I am thinking of forgiving myself, it is for having been so good, that I was so, to a fault. And I think that you may possibly feel the same way. At times {maybe most of the time} I must have qualified for the “Goody Two Shoes Award”. {Looking up the term 'Goody two shoes' on the WEB gives some interesting descriptions which I add to the end of this note.} The problem being, that any “bad” actions, of a person who attempts to act in such a virtuous manner, are actually accentuated and can seem incongruously large and out of proportion, particularly to the person themselves. We saw this phenomenon in ourselves and had a tendency to castigate, criticise and even punish ourselves severely. (punish, not necessarily in a physical way) The “goodness” aspect of our behaviour was likely to have been a defensive or self-protective style of behaviour.

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Viewed in this way, we might consider that we have a right to forgive ourselves for the harsh criticism and disparagement that we gave ourselves.

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As part of the process of adopting a pattern of good behaviour, I adopted a religious philosophy that supplied me, ready made, a set of principles that I have endeavoured to adhere to throughout my life. There was a considerable and marked distinction between the principles that I had adopted and the way that other people of my age acted throughout most of my life.

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As I said to the counsellor, if I do not deal with myself, my imbalance, that I have been fighting most of my life, the likely-hood of ending up as a person who has become so socially withdrawn that the last words people say are “have you heard that …... died last week” or the possibility that, however unlikely, I just take in so much, that, to use the expression, I “pickle myself”, or some other rather unpleasant way of exiting life. As I have said before, the thought of the effect on my children is likely to prevent me from departing in such an ignominious way. My dissatisfaction with various aspects of my life, unless dealt with, is likely to lead to negative outcomes. And, I can see the possibility, that with a diminishing capacity to take remedial action, I am going to increase that level of dissatisfaction. So I need to act now. You have also alluded to the idea that if you do not deal with your situation, you are concerned about the possible or even, likely outcome.

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The logical framework that I am building, although built on my life, is one that I believe resonates sufficiently with you, to consider, given the number of similarities, that you can also identify with and apply in your life situation. The reverse question may apply: “Can I afford to leave these matters to continue unattended.” I do not believe that I would be so open with you, unless we had made various connections and identified similarities in our respective life circumstances.

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With My very Best Wishes

@HenryX 

 

 

 

What does the phrase goody two shoes mean? = self righteous

The term “goody two shoes” is today used in a pejorative sense for someone who is self righteous and ostentatiously virtuous. This usage began around the late 19th or early 20th century.

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Is Goody Two Shoes an insult?

The phrase goody two shoes is a negative expression that is used to describe a person who always tries to behave well and do the right thing. It is used to describe someone who tries too hard to be perfect.

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@HenryX 

I very much relate to being a goodie two shoes 

and a teachers pet.

Teachers were about the only adults that I could really trust. They were very kind to me.

 

Meggle

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Hello @Oaktree 


A Few thoughts on Therapy and Forgiveness

 

There was one teacher who I had the belief, had some idea of what was going on for me outside the school environment, at home, and about my disjointed and unbalanced relationships within my peer/age group. That was in 2nd year, here in WA, when I was about 14. That was also the term that I achieved 2nd in the class results. {Most other times, I was way down the scale.} During that term, my father was away, working in Victoria.

Unfortunately, the next term, my family and I were together in Victoria, my brother and I, in a new school, and that rapport, with teachers, was never re-established. There were some teachers to whom I related better than others. However, there were two teachers in my school life, for whom I had an intense dislike, because of their attitude and behaviour toward me.

As I became more aware, and because of my self-application of the “empty chair” or Gestalt therapy approach, I have been able to re-frame some of my feelings toward those two people, my father, as well as people from other areas of my life. Needless to say, using this approach does not change the events and experiences that occurred with those teachers, my father, or other people in my life. However, I can now attribute their actions, toward me, as a product of their incorrect and, or deficient framing of their view of me, or possible deficiencies in their own self-perception. In this regard, it is not my intention to project judgement, but to acknowledge possibilities.

Given these perceptions and outcomes, the only "fear" I should have of the therapy process, is a change in my attitude that no longer supports anger, or disappointment about my own responses in a variety of situations. My counsellor has suggested, one outcome of negatives, faced and resolved in these therapy approaches, is that the concerns, self-disappointment and remaining bitterness actually dissolves, resolves and disappears like burst soap bubbles. The only negative, that might then remain, is disappointment in myself/ourselves, for having retained unnecessary and unpleasant feelings for so long.

Another possible reason to forgive ourselves for the impact of those retained feelings.

Another reference that my counsellor has offered recently, is about

the grief and loss associated with what might otherwise have been”,

had I made different decisions in my life. That and the self-imposed anger about those possible and prospective losses, to which I have alluded before, in my discussions with you, are the biggest threats, in and of, various therapy styles. It is not the therapy that is threatening, but our response to what we uncover in ourselves, that is more threatening and possibly distressing. However, even those threats, distresses and disappointments can be dealt with by acknowledging in ourselves, the fact that, in previous times, when certain decisions were made, of not having the developed skills with-in ourselves, or by lack of knowledge, we had not the use of the means or knowledge to make different decisions, or to apply those resolving principles.

Can we be as kind to ourselves, in terms of forgiveness, as we might profess to be toward others.

Another aspect of therapy, that we may be concerned about, is the question,

If it is all that easy, why haven't we been able to do this before?

I believe that the reason may be, in part, because we have been conditioned to believe that we act in specific, ordered ways in our lives. The theory of “nature” and/or “nurture”, whereby it is thought that our beliefs, feelings, thoughts and actions or behaviour, are somehow pre-conditioned or pre-determined, either by our inherited and imprinted patterns, or our life training. Therapy simply uses techniques that show that pre-conditioning and pre-determination are not necessarily fixed by our genetics (nature) or developmental training (nurture). As such, we can vary and change our proximate and world views, on everything that is able to be changed and viewed differently, in our lives. We now consider that we can allow ourselves, to follow a higher level of control and decision making, over choices we make about how those changes occur. We can make choices about which therapeutic models meet our needs, as we make choices about many other options that we have in our lives.

We can choose to forgive ourselves for losses, for incapacity and/or lack of knowledge.

Fear can also arise, because many people view therapeutic processes as somehow false or damaging. Like hypnotism, therapeutic processes and models, have a wide range of valid and very useful applications in medical and psychological situations. Unfortunately, hypnotism and other methods of therapy have, in the eyes of some, gained bad reputations. Such reputational damage, may be partly as a result of, otherwise unconnected, religious and secular beliefs of their originators and subsequent proponents, as well as their application in entertainment, in the case of hypnosis. There is an increasing development and awareness of the benefits of these applications, independently from their originators and proponents, in both the medical and psychological fields of treatment. Those benefits need not necessarily be connected with other beliefs that are, or have been held by their originators and proponents.

The feelings that I have experienced, as a result of removing the covers, that I had previously placed over the feelings of anger, anguish, self-disappointment, etc, have been akin to “loss and grief”. When we look at loss and grief, in relation to the death of parents, friends and associates, we can say that there develops over time, a lessening and, to some degree, a resolution of those feelings, in part because we experience fewer reminders of their presence, and may even consider their presence as in a real, but different form, as we progress in our lives. Negative feelings, that we maintain in ourselves, about past events, experiences and people, often do not resolve so easily or quickly. We carry, inside ourselves, the essence of what caused those feelings to exist and be maintained within us. Unless those feelings are resolved by some method, therapeutic or otherwise, which may be considered methods of processing “grief and loss”, about our own internal feelings, the negative feelings are likely to continue, without resolution.

Even the process of going back into my thoughts and memories of past events, experiences and people, is often distressing. But isn't that really what therapy is all about? – facing our past and resolving that past, in the present.

 

It is only when we become aware and acknowledge, that we are leaving that past, covered and unresolved, and probably having ever existed and continuing to exist, nowhere else in the universe, but within ourselves. It is in this “form”, by acknowledging that it is likely to continue to cause us problems in the future, that we can then face the impact that certain events, experiences, feelings and people have had in our lives. Those thoughts, feelings, experiences and concepts of people from our past, surface in our present, within ourselves, in ways that are counterproductive and an attack on our person from inside us. Those attacks and counterproductive feelings and thoughts will not cease, until we have taken steps, that we believe will resolve the negative feelings in the present, that are a product of those past events, experiences, feelings and concepts of people from our past.

Are we not doing ourselves, and quite possibly others, an injustice by not taking measures in the present, that will improve our future.

Because of the generated negative feelings of unworthiness in ourselves, anger towards ourselves and others, disappointment in self and others, we have attacked ourselves as much as anyone else has. If we can release those feelings;

That is another reason to afford ourselves forgiveness and peace.

With My Best Wishes
@HenryX 

 

 

Sky blue references – to do with Self-Forgiveness.

 

Accepting of ourselves – recognising our qualities and value

Re: Introduction

Sorry @HenryX 

I read your piece while I was half asleep at 4:30am but I just read it again and you make a lot of valid points. I think the fear is just a really strong emotion for me because of so many past experiences of extreme fear. It is not a safe emotion and I just want to run away. I am trying not to though and hope to work with my psychologist through the fear. I like what you said about processing the past in the present. That's exactly what needs to happen but the memories are scary. I don't want to get them out and dust them off because who knows what else is waiting there in the dark for me to rediscover. I also feel like there is an element of shame involved and I think I am ultimately fearful of any kind of judgment that may be imposed upon me. I have been thinking this through for several days and although I was ready to quit out on Thursday and Friday last week I think I will keep holding on and trying to ride the wave of fear and see if it lessens. I have thought of a couple of questions that I want to ask my psychologist though before we go any further. I want to know what her area of special interest is, why she is so keen on this therapy, what she writes in my notes and who exactly can read them? I think having these answers will either make me feel less or more anxious and it might help me make my decision about whether to pursue this therapy. Anyway I can't think now what else to write so I will leave it here. Thank you for all your thoughts.

 

Meggle

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Hi @HenryX 

I have choir practice in the city tonight. Part of my psychology homework is to try and work on making a friend there. Not sure how to achieve this. I don't think it's something that will happen in a week or two but something I will have to keep chipping away at over time. Maybe I will ask my victim if they want to meet up sometime? Not really sure. Luckily there are refreshments after choir practice so there is an opportunity to chat to people. How do I know when I have successfully made a friend? Life was so much simpler as a kid when you could just ask someone if they wanted to be friends with you. Why isn't it that simple now? Or could it be? Maybe I can just pop that question. What do you think???

 

Meggle

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Hello  @Oaktree 

 

Please Meggle, no need to apologise. There are times that I have described being able to write, but I may not be comfortable with the way my thoughts are being transferred to the page. The same occurs with reading. We read and write when we are in, what I have quite often seen referred to as, the right headspace. There is no rush, unless information is required for a specific time.

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As always, I am pleased to receive your response. I find it interesting, that what you write, often gives me reason to think of additional thoughts, ideas or issues, or even ways of viewing a topic, in a way that I may not previously have considered. I do believe that is the value of our correspondence, that we can strike new ideas, perceptions and perspectives, with and for each other. Those same idea sparking responses assist me in reviewing my own issues and situation

In this way, I believe and hope, from the content of our discussions, that we both benefit. Those benefits can also extend collectively, where and as appropriate to other members of the forum, and people in our outside spaces.

The following notes, consist of my own thoughts, on the ideas that you have offered, some additional considerations and a synopsis of your ideas in the overall topic.

Your comment:

the memories are scary. I don't want to get them out and dust them off because who knows what else is waiting there in the dark for me to rediscover.”

brings a number of things to mind:

  • The memories are scary ~ I agree, although, whether we face and deal with them, or not, they will still have an affect on our lives. If we do bring them to the surface, we are very likely to have more control over them, and their affect on us, than if they stay hidden. Bringing them "into the light of day", may even cause them to resolve and disappear altogether. We may find out just how un-scary they really are.

  • The fear of what else might be waiting there ~ This is a concern that I also have. There are situations and experiences, such as sudden and violent explosions, even on television shows, and outside. A child, distressed and screaming in a shop. I don't know why my reactions, to these incidents, are so pronounced and severe, and it worries me to possibly find the reason(s) for such reactions. However, just like in other areas, once the original scenario is brought to the surface, it is going to be more easily dealt with, than if it “stays under the carpet”. Again, the fear and distress that is experienced by me, in these situations, may even dissolve and disappear.

there is an element of shame involved and I think I am ultimately fearful of any kind of judgement that may be imposed upon me.”

 

Here, I had written, for inclusion in this note, about an incident that involved me at age about 7, as the subject of actions by other people of varying ages, that I have decided not to include here. However, I have included all the thoughts that come to mind as a response to my recollections of the incident.

  • I do believe that I understand that fear of shame.

  • shame, either from the idea that the initiating problem was so relatively minor, that we feel embarrassed to have been so affected by it for so long. A very strong reason to be rid of it. The affect on our life was out of all proportion to the original incident. But at the time it happened it probably seemed huge. However, its apparent size did not diminish as we grew up. Consider a waterfall, that we knew of when we were young; it may have seemed huge, and that is the way that we remember it, until we return to the same place in our 30's and it seems to have reduced in size by a huge amount. The same, I believe, can happen with our recollections of events. Unfortunately, it does not make the recollection or perception of such events or incidents reduce in size until we go back and face them.

  • another source of shame is to recall and know of events, we would not want known by others, given our present position in time, place, circumstance and present understanding,.

    Questions arise;

    • how much is there to tell about this incident,

    • how do I interpret the affect that it has had on me,

    • how has it affected my relationships, friendships, work and social interactions with girls and women in my life since that incident

    • how has it affected my relationships, friendships, work and social interactions with boys and men in my life since that incident

    • How can future relationships, friendships, work and social interactions with other people be improved by accessing and "evictiong the Incident intruder?"

       

  • How much has that incident, and others, affected my life (Impact)

  • How could my involvement in the original incident be interpreted, eg.

    • a willing participant

    • a participant without knowledge of the implications at the time, due to age or other circumstance

    • a person actively resisting participation

    • an incident, the implications of which could not have been understood at the time

    • an event that happened without knowledge due to the influence of alcohol, drugs or some form of anaesthesia, for exmple, due to inhaled vapours

I have thought of a couple of questions that I want to ask my psychologist before we go any further.”

 

  • Area of special interest

    • training and experience

    • brief outline of outcomes of previous therapeutic discussions

    • purpose and content of notes taken during discussions

    • people who have access to those notes and personal particulars

 

With My Best Wishes

@HenryX 

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