@Ali11  I wish I could start a new conversation, even on the side, but once these people get fired up it’s like a competition on who can be the loudest and who can offer up the most information on the subject,  everyone has something to say all at once.  I just want to pound some sense into them, to tell them how it can happen, how it did happen and how their ignorance can affect other people.  What is wrong with these people that they can’t see past their own perfect little bubble and see the real world ??