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22 Oct 2021 02:25 PM
22 Oct 2021 02:25 PM
Glad you like the photos @HenryX
I love taking photos
This is the amazing view at a restaurant I go to.
Not sure why the photos are sideways 🤣
22 Oct 2021 02:54 PM
22 Oct 2021 02:54 PM
What I find difficult is that people on the forums can't chat in a private message. I honestly don't know why.
I joined another forum and we can chat publicly or privately. I don't see a problem. @HenryX @Former-Member
Is there a reason?
22 Oct 2021 03:21 PM
22 Oct 2021 03:21 PM
Would really like to hear the reasons why we aren't able to chat in a private message? I find it very difficult saying private things for everyone to read. @Former-Member
There are people on here that I'd love to connect with, but I am reluctant to share my feelings/life, because so many people are reading what I'm saying. @HenryX @Sophia1
22 Oct 2021 04:43 PM
22 Oct 2021 04:43 PM
Hi there @Former-Member, thanks for the tag.
We understand that the connections made here can be very meaningful. It can be difficult to feel like you can be completely open and vulnerable when you know it is a public forum. However, we also must ensure that our members are able to maintain their anonymity, in line with our Community Guidelines. This guideline is there to allow people to feel safe enough to share personal experiences without worrying about being identified. We also need to ensure we are able to support everyone and keep conversations safe.
Take care,
Sphinxly
22 Oct 2021 04:54 PM
22 Oct 2021 04:54 PM
Thanks for your reply @Former-Member It still doesn't make any sense, why we can't message privately
22 Oct 2021 05:42 PM - edited 22 Oct 2021 09:40 PM
22 Oct 2021 05:42 PM - edited 22 Oct 2021 09:40 PM
Hello @Smiling_Gecko and @Mumi
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I have transferred this updated post, covering a few more issues and considerations, from the "Good Morning" thread because I believe that it is important to continue the discussion about usability and functions available in the Forum site. I am also taking the opportunity to invite a couple of members, being @BlueBay & @Smiling_Gecko. to this thread.
Please invite other members to this thread, particularly if you think that they would enjoy the discussion and activity.
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I also acknowledge @Former-Member 's concern, despite the anonymity provided by the Guidelines & Info in the site, that open expressions of personal content and discussions are often difficult in a site such as the SANE forum site.
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@Smiling_Gecko , I think that you have actually done what many others of us have done; simply dived in the deep end and "learned to swim" in the SANE forum site. There really is no requirement to start "a get to know you thread" when a person joins the forum. Though it is suggested. I, like many others, about a month or two after I rejoined in February this year, after initially joining in 2015, started a self-introductory thread, but it has been visited by others, and me, very little since I set it up. Members of the forum have come to know me (for better or worse), more by my activity in the various other threads on the forum.
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It was actually @Mumi , who had asked me if I had a thread of my own, that spurred me on to set up an open thread titled Re: Henry's Landing Strip & Hangar which I started about a week or two ago. I have been very pleased about the interest and activity of members in the thread. Although It was not, initially, the intended purpose for which the thread was established, other members, I believe, have come to know more about me and my interests through the thread. Likewise, I have been pleased to come to know more about other members and their interests.
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Often people find and use only a few threads, in which they feel comfortable and, unfortunately, do not extend themselves, or their activity beyond the threads with which they have become familiar.
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@Smiling_Gecko , you have also referred to an issue that I have raised on a number of occasions. That is the difficulty that you, many others and I have had in "navigating around the forums on the SANE website". I have mentioned this issue before, and more senior members in the site hierarchy have acknowledged my concerns, saying in their reply, that they would be considering them. However, I believe that we lose many new and potential members, who could benefit from use of the site, because of the issues related to navigation and negotiation of the site functions. Such difficulties, I believe, are part of the reason why many members, even many of the longer established members, confine themselves, almost completely, to only using those threads with which they have become familiar. This, in turn, means that the full functions of the forum site are accessed, in only a limited manner, by many members.
Another significant issue with regard to the usability of the site, is the effect that difficulties using the site have on members and potential members, where feelings of inadequacy are, inadvertantly or otherwise, projected onto existing, new and potential members. This potential impact on people with existing MH issues, to which I have previously referred is, I believe, reason for serious concern.
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It has become apparent to me recently, that even long standing members are often not familiar with the the basic processes of entry into the site as a new member, and are not familiar with functions of the site outside those few to which they have been accustomed to using. If long standing members have such issues, the flow-on effect would seem to lead to lack of confidence and confusion among newer members, particularly with regard to accessing and using site functions.
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I have made a point of offering new members suggestions about how to alert other members to their posts, by using forum addresses (eg @HenryX , @Former-Member , @Former-Member ) which are derived from our forum names, or pseudonyms ( HenryX , Mumi , Smiling_Gecko ) by using the @ symbol, in the Reply box, when replying to the posts of others. {almost holding the hands (digitally), of newer members, and guiding them through the processes}. Often, I have seen comments such as "add an @ in front of a members name", as considered sufficient direction to enable a new member to address another member in a post. It is definitely not, as any person with training skills and knowledge of the site, would know. The fact that such inadequate directions are given, by long standing members, indicates that there are real problems for people who are already using the site as well as those endeavouring to access the site and its functions. However, without adequate assistance, which is time consuming for the assisting member, and unnecessarily daunting for the new member, it is difficult to even get started in the process of using the forum, let alone developing skills and acquiring knowledge to enable and facilitate activity in the rest of the forum functions and structure. These issues, I consider, are significant barriers to the effective use of the forum for its intended purpose. My experience, on this site, is very different and much more difficult than the experiences that I have had in using other websites and forums.
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In 2015, when I first joined the forum, it is likely that I did not continue as an active member of the SANE site, because of the difficulty, that I had at the time, navigating and negotiating my way through and around the forum site. It was also a time when, I believe, that I would have gained significant support and assistance from a service, such as purported to be offered by SANE. Paradoxically, I found myself unable, at the time, to access and navigate the functions in this site. A site that might have been very helpful to me during that period. The site is neither easy to use nor navigate, in part, because it is definitely anything but intuitive. It appears to have been a product that has been "purchased off the shelf" presumably from an American or Chinese company, since the only language option is English USA, without due consideration for its functionality or usability and application in an Australian context. Either that or it has become totally outdated during the time since it was first acquired. In either case, I think, replacing it should be given serious consideration. In Australia, we often hear claims that our IT capability is equal to or better than that from other countries. In such an important environment as Mental Health applications, such as is said to be offered by SANE, it would be great to see that capability applied here.
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Hoping that this post may add to the discussion. If any questions arise, I would be pleased to discuss them.
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With Best Wishes
22 Oct 2021 06:52 PM
22 Oct 2021 06:52 PM
22 Oct 2021 07:49 PM - edited 22 Oct 2021 09:46 PM
22 Oct 2021 07:49 PM - edited 22 Oct 2021 09:46 PM
Hello @BlueBay
Really pleased to see you made it over here.
No need to write anything unless you want to offer a suggestion, idea or just your own thoughts at any time. Have a look back through what others have offered. Like I said, this is an easy going thread where people can simply enjoy reading, offer their thoughts, throw up a nice photograph that you like, or just enjoy reading what others have to say.
I guess I might have to apologise again, for inviting you when I have written something that may be considered a bit "full-on" and heavy. However, why not? Just read through. If something clicks for you, you can say it in whatever words you feel comfortable with. I am sure that no-one will criticise or make you feel silly. Everyone else here will want to assist in whatever way that they can. they are here to enjoy themselves as well. Other people may even be able to explain my words better than I can.😃 And that is ok. While you might not be used to completely understand the way that I write, the best way to understand is to read, and ask. That way you will become used to understanding when other people write in the same or similar ways to the way that I write. Gradually you will find that you are able to understand a lot of different ways of writing and expression. Each style will help in understanding another style.
As you can see from what I have written, other people, and I, have all had problems working within the forum site. I think what I would like you to see is that none of us have "all the answers".
Any knowledge that I, or anyone else has, is only useful to another person, if and when the other person understands the message that I, or we, are trying to convey. It really is that simple. If someone doesn't understand what I have written, all that is needed, is to say "I'm not quite sure what you mean by " facilitate activity in the rest of the forum functions and structure." Here I've taken a clause out of the post that I have just written. Now, since you may have asked that question, it is up to me to explain what I mean in slightly different words. There is absolutely no shame in asking me or anyone else to explain what they have said in a different way. If there is anything at all that you do not understand or about which you feel that you might be uncertain of the meaning, you only need to ask me, or the person concerned.
If there were shame attached to not knowing or uncertainty, I would also have to feel ashamed every time that I check the spelling of a word or its meaning from an onsite dictionary. And I can tell you that I am regularly checking spellings and meanings of words, to make sure that they fit appropriately into what I am writing, and information about plenty of other things as well.
I really do hope that you and I have come through a rough patch, and have got to a stage where you feel comfortable 'talking' with me about whatever we discuss, or any question about what might be said here on the forum.
The best way is to practice. If you get used to asking me questions, you will gradually find it easier to ask questions of other people. I will never get tired of discussing answers with you as long as you have questions to ask.
With My Very Best Wishes
22 Oct 2021 07:53 PM
22 Oct 2021 07:53 PM
Thanks @HenryX for your understanding. I really appreciate it. I will ask if I don't understand. Thank you again
22 Oct 2021 08:05 PM - edited 22 Oct 2021 08:18 PM
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